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Thread: Cambelt service

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    Cambelt service

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    Just booked in for a cambelt + tensioner + water pump + accessory belt change.

    The official Suzuki interval on the 2.0 DDiS is 90k or 5 years, as per the owners handbook, with the Fiat Sedici listed as the same. I believe Alfa Romeo have the JTD cambelt interval lowered to 72k miles/5yrs, though quite a few of the independent Fiat/Alfa garages seem to me recommend either 50k or 60k miles and 3 or 4 years as the change intervals. This is primarily due to water pump failures and though sometimes the belts go (teeth going rather than snapping belts). I understand the rockers generally break preventing valve damage, though still a four figure GBP repair. Not sure how sturdy the water pumps are on our particular variant of the Fiat JTDm 16v, though with mine on 55k miles I am not wanting to take the risk...

    The dealer book values for the labour (as advised over the phone):
    • 3 hours for the cambelt + tensioner
    • Add 1 hour for the water pump
    • 0.4 hours for the accessory belt (if done separately - would be included in the 3 hour cambelt time)


    The fully fitted fixed price costs at my local main dealer (parts + labour, including VAT).
    • 304 GBP - Just the cambelt
    • 392 GBP - the above, plus tensioner
    • 495 GBP - the above, plus water pump
    • 540 GBP - the above, plus accessory belt


    The above includes all incidental items, such as coolant, gaskets, etc.
    Honestly not sure why you would change the cam belt and not do all the other items at the same time! These engines are prone for water pumps not replaced to die with a couple of thousand miles of a cam belt being changed.

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    Work done and a slight noise that caught my ear (and led me to book this work) has thankfully now gone. Not sure what it would have sounded like by the 90000 mile scheduled change interval. Engine sounds like I remember it was when new; surprising how subtle changes over time aren't particularly noticeable, especially without being able to make a like to like comparison to another car.
    Last edited by dex; January 16th, 2015 at 02:02 PM.

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    This is a copy of my post of 2 days ago. Same engine but why the huge difference in time and complexity?

    I have posted this in the Technical Forum as well but thought that this might be better as most of the diesels are in Europe.

    I have just been given an estimate of 850 to replace the timing belt and water pump on my 2011 SX4 (classic) 2 litre diesel, engine D20AA. This is from my local garage. I have a copy of the Autodata pages which show a time of 8.5 hours which includes the removal of the engine from beneath the car. It is stated in bold that timing belt replacement cannot be done with the engine in situ. I have 2 questions
    1. Has anyone else had this experience?
    2. Is there a workaround? If there is one then please let me know.

    Peter

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    apologies, not been on the forum for a while. I initially went to an independent garage and they also gave a very large quote, based on removing the engine... The chap there said if the main dealer could do it for a fixed price (that was hundreds less than he could do it for based on the same 'engine out' data) then I should go to them! He specialises in the same engine fitted to Fiat and Alfas and says he had never heard of any ever requiring the engine out, though could only quote based on the book data. He said he would charge based on the time taken and he would have been cheaper than the main dealer if it was not engine out, though would be more if they did take it out... so up to me if I wanted to take the risk.

    I do not believe it required the engine out, as it was done in a couple of hours (I dropped off in the morning, and collected not more than 6 hours later).

    I suspect it is a ploy for people to use the main dealer rather than independents!

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    You could also try a Fiat garage. Could be cheaper.
    "dropping a couple of gears to overtake is called driving"

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    Talking about prices and the main dealers. I have used services of Servicing Stop lately. I did my MOT and few other things there already. Well saying that I did it doesn't make much sense here, cause they did all the work. I was working while they were taking care of my car. They picked it up and returned to me approx 4-5 hours later. I found it a lot cheaper than going to THE dealer directly. Have you ever tried something like this yourself?

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    In the US most independent garages go by a time and labor manual like Mitchels. The only way it will be cheaper is according to the labor rate at the shop involved. Takes a little research but it can be sourced out where you can save a little money. Pick up and delivery is a big selling point for independent shops.

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